Comments on: Chinian http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/ A blog on English. Mostly American, occasionally British. Always with a Chinese flavor. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:16:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: homecpp http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-1268 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 05:55:34 +0000 http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-1268 明朝(1368-1644)及清朝初期(1644-1911)时期，欧洲同时期的地图大部分以拉丁文标注为Chinensis，-sis后缀无明确的意思，熟悉拉丁文的朋友，如搞生物、医药的，应该知道。罕有的由约翰.斯彼德(John Speed)编著的地图集(1627-1676)，是由英文标注的，可以清楚的看到Chinian，Chinian men, Chinian women，The Chinian Ocean。而当欧洲列强用大炮敲开了中国的大门后，称谓也就变了！ 我引用了香港科技大学图书馆保存的原图给大家看看，看看我们屈辱的近代史！ http://img422.photo.163.com/homecpp/52124827/1379819881.jpg English-speaking people should know what '-ese' means. Why not let an old map teach us what Chinian is: http://img422.photo.163.com/homecpp/52124827/1379819881.jpg What do you see? Chinian, Chinian men, Chinian women and Chinian ocean... If you don't believe that, you can visit http://library.ust.hk/info/exhibit/maps-2002/maps-gallery1.html, search for John Speed and Kingdome of China, and see for yourself! What a day and what a shame! It is so difficult to use our natural name, why? Who can give me an answer? 明朝(1368-1644)及清朝初期(1644-1911)时期，欧洲同时期的地图大部分以拉丁文标注为Chinensis，-sis后缀无明确的意思，熟悉拉丁文的朋友，如搞生物、医药的，应该知道。罕有的由约翰.斯彼德(John Speed)编著的地图集(1627-1676)，是由英文标注的，可以清楚的看到Chinian，Chinian men, Chinian women，The Chinian Ocean。而当欧洲列强用大炮敲开了中国的大门后，称谓也就变了！
我引用了香港科技大学图书馆保存的原图给大家看看，看看我们屈辱的近代史！
http://img422.photo.163.com/homecpp/52124827/1379819881.jpg

English-speaking people should know what ‘-ese’ means. Why not let an old map teach us what Chinian is:
http://img422.photo.163.com/homecpp/52124827/1379819881.jpg
What do you see? Chinian, Chinian men, Chinian women and Chinian ocean…
If you don’t believe that, you can visit http://library.ust.hk/info/exhibit/maps-2002/maps-gallery1.html, search for John Speed and Kingdome of China, and see for yourself!

What a day and what a shame! It is so difficult to use our natural name, why? Who can give me an answer?

]]> by: Brendan http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-406 Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:32:08 +0000 http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-406 As a native speaker of English, and one fairly sensitive to this kind of thing, I've gotta call BS on this. The entry describing "-ese" as derogatory is correct, but incomplete: it's used, as Language Log says in the linked entry, in the derogatory sense of styles of writing. As a Chinese-English translator, I often complain about the stiff "translatese" that most translation produces. Chugol asks a good question above -- Korean, Laotian, Tibetan, Mongolian, Siberian, Okinawan, Nepali, and Thai are several exceptions to this fictitious "rule" that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. (One could argue that "Thai" used to be "Siamese," I suppose.) As a native speaker of English, and one fairly sensitive to this kind of thing, I’ve gotta call BS on this. The entry describing “-ese” as derogatory is correct, but incomplete: it’s used, as Language Log says in the linked entry, in the derogatory sense of styles of writing. As a Chinese-English translator, I often complain about the stiff “translatese” that most translation produces.

Chugol asks a good question above — Korean, Laotian, Tibetan, Mongolian, Siberian, Okinawan, Nepali, and Thai are several exceptions to this fictitious “rule” that I can think of off the top of my head. I’m sure there are more. (One could argue that “Thai” used to be “Siamese,” I suppose.)

]]> by: chugol http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-315 Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:48:11 +0000 http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-315 那Korean是不是个例外呢？ 那Korean是不是个例外呢？

]]> by: fangzhou http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-265 Sun, 05 Feb 2006 05:37:59 +0000 http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-265 Eh... I think it's just the linguistics kinda thing. Don't know much, but yeah, “尽量别想太多。” Eh… I think it’s just the linguistics kinda thing. Don’t know much, but yeah, “尽量别想太多。”

]]> by: laura http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-260 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:06:27 +0000 http://englishblog.org/2006/01/26/chinian/#comment-260 I browsed by and caught this one – very interesting indeed! I'm Finnish, of course, so I don't seem to belong to either group. :) I browsed by and caught this one – very interesting indeed! I’m Finnish, of course, so I don’t seem to belong to either group. :)

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